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Ze Issues!

Following the meme, and since it IS an election year...my stance on the Burning Issues of our Time. (Some of which I don't think are all that burning, mind you--I wouldn't have listed the legal drinking age and premarital sex as even issues, but there you go.)


Abortion?: I am so pro-choice that I can make pro-life protestors spontaneously combust through sheer force of will. (Well, not really...) Of all the issues on this list, this is probably the one in which I grant no quarter. What goes on inside my anatomy is my business, occasionally my husband's, and definitely no one else's--certainly not any political or religious group--and the minute someone tries to legislate that the squishy interior of my uterus is a matter of concern for anyone other than me and my gynecologist, I go into Screaming Batshit Mode and have to be removed from the ceiling with a stick. Yes, I would have an abortion myself. "Think of the babies!" rhetoric rolls off me like water off the back of a polyurethane duck.

Ideally, of course, it would not be used as a method of birth control--all rhetoric aside, it's so blasted inefficient and messy and hard on the system--but this whole "pregnancy is the punishment for having sex, you dirty little teenage tramp!" crap has gotta stop, since it's ignorance about sex that keeps abortions neccessary.

In short, I believe no person has the right to commandeer the body of another, be it by slavery, rape, or unwanted pregnancy, and the Geneva Convention backs me up on that one.

Sorry, *cough* that's a hot-button issue. I'll try to be briefer on the rest.

Death Penalty?: Errr...well, yes and no. On the one hand, there are plenty of people that I feel should just be put down--you don't rehabilitate or imprison mad dogs, you shoot them, because it's just more merciful all around. However, I don't know that I am always equipped to make that call myself, and our current system seems to suck down money and has offed a good many innocent people, so while I find it ultimately a fairly good idea, our current execution sucks dead bears, and it may be that there is no practical way in which to have a death penalty system that actually works in the real world. And if not, then, like cold fusion, I will say "Well, it'd be nice if we could get it to work, but we have to bow to practicality."

Prostitution?: Legalize it and get 'em a union.

Alcohol?: Can't stand the taste myself, but James can make some really good sauces with it.

Marijuana?: Legalize it, tax it heavily, treat the impairment like drunkeness. It doesn't matter if it's ten times as expensive, people will buy it. Drug deals are unpleasant and boring and stressful, ducking down to 7-11 and buying Marlboro Greens would make a lot of people very happy. And Doritos stock will quadruple overnight.

Other drugs?: Legalize the soft ones, and make the penalties for the hard ones a lot lighter. The sentences are in no way a deterrant--the average drug user has no idea at all how long he'll get for any given amount. What deters people is getting CAUGHT, and the hassle/confiscation alone will scare them, and is much more fitting than dumping some confused hippy in jail with violent offenders. People bringing truck loads of drugs across the border should be slammed on import violations.

Gay marriage?: Let 'em marry whoever they want--what two (or more) consenting adults may get up to in their own time is so totally not my business that there isn't even a word for how not-my-business it is. If marriage is really a religious institution, then the government shouldn't recognize them at all, and if it's a civil institution then they don't have a leg to stand on denying it to homosexuals.

Illegal immigrants?: Hell, I dunno. I can think of reasons why it's bad, but if I was in a poverty stricken nation, or worse, one of those poor bastards from the ripped up South American countries fleeing a brutal police state, I'd be headin' north, too. That one's kind've a wash.

Smoking?: Nasty habit, but it's not my job to stop an adult from doing things they know are bad for 'em.

Cloning?: Much to-do about nothing. A clone is an identical twin in a test-tube, not a replica completely with memories and personality, and I wish to god people would get that through their heads. Also, I'm all for stem cell research (not that you asked.)

Premarital sex?: Since the only objection is from Christianity, and I'm not a Christian, I fail to see the issue. (And I remember back in the day, when my dear Catholic grandmother learned that my cousin was Living With A Man Prior To Marriage and went, in horror, to Father Bernard, a Catholic priest of such antiquity as to probably remember when Martin Luthor nailed his parchment to the door, and Father Bernard shrugged and said, "Well...I think that's probably a good idea..." horrifying Grandma and earning him forever a place in my heart. Ahem. I don't know where I was going with that.)

Religion?: I don't much care for it. If it works for people, fine, glad they like it. I have an axe to grind with Christianity, but hey, who doesn't these days? and I try not to get it out and brandish it too often.

The war in Iraq?: Saddam was a bad guy. And I think I said at the time that while Saddam was a bad guy, and nobody denied that, I was opposed because I just knew we were gonna screw it up. And we did. However, now that we're there, I don't neccessarily believe we should pull out--once you've stuck your nose in and become part of the problem, you're honorbound to fix it, you don't just get to step back and say "Whoa, that was way harder than I thought! Sorry! This doesn't concern me any more!"

Bush?: I want him out of office so palpably I can taste it.

Downloading music?: Never done it. Can see both sides of the issue, on one hand, but on the other, suing twelve year old girls pretty much puts you straight into the villain's camp.

The legal drinking age?: In a perfect society, you could drink when you graduated from high school. Don't graduate? No booze for you! But that's just because I believe in education, not 'cos I care about the drinking age.

Porn?: Oh, well, I could go on about the unrealistic stereotypes about women, etc, but I really don't care. A lot of it makes me go "Ewwww!" but I don't have any right to regulate what other people get off on. As long as you're consenting adults, s'not my place to tell people what they can't star in.

Suicide?: It's also not my place to tell someone they have to live if they don't want to--your life is yours, to live OR NOT, as you see fit. I realize that people will probably write to tell me how wrong I am and that they were devastated when their friend/relative offed themselves, but I still don't think that changes the fundamental fact--nobody has the right to force a mentally healthy adult to live if they've chosen not to. It's not a decision you'd want to make in haste, but just as we don't have the right to TAKE the life of said mentally-healthy-adult (barring mitigating criminal factors) I don't feel we have the right to force it upon someone. While I would be sad if someone close to me did that, my grief is my problem, not theirs, and they are not required to live their life in misery to keep me happy.


Aha, see, you're contradicting yourself.

You don't think it's your business whether someone chooses to live or not, yet you think taking people's lives before they have a chance to argue is perfectly fine.

Abortion does just that. I don't want to rant, and I don't want to get tempermental, but the fact remains -- kids who DO exist and who DO live are killed all the time, and everybody's fine with it. Isn't there something wrong with this picture?

As far as from the mother's point of view, she's the one who had sex. She deals with it. Maybe that's God's way of telling us -- sex isn't something to be taken lightly. It produces children, and if you don't want to handle the result you don't have to do it.

I do want to rant ;)

"Maybe that's God's way of telling us-- sex isn't something to be taken lightly."
"she's the one who had sex"


The responsibility of children isn't just that of the mother but of the father as well, it -does- take two you know. However, if anyone bails on those responsiblities, who is it most often? I balk at the idea that I would have to spend the rest of my life looking after a kid I never wanted because we used a faulty condom. Or at the fact that women would not have the option to abort if having the kid means that they'll be crippled for the rest of their life or could even die.

Also, part of your argument is based on religion, assuming that we share your belief that there is a God? Which is especially stupid snce you directed your comment towards Ursula who in this same post doesn't seem to be too keen on religion. Did you just read the abortion bit and jump to comments straight away?

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Well that's nice and clear. Wanna try the Netherlands for a bit? Although every society has its problems, and if it doesn't, it will sure as hell make some.
Still I realy think education is key. A lot of problems stem from ignorance.

Aah, a fellow Dutchie, hoi :)

Finding myself agreeing with you on everything but abortion, for which I am unsure myself.

"Prostitution?: Legalize it and get 'em a union."

I especially agree here. Hey, it's legal some places (Nevada) anyway, and they really can't do much about the lone whore on the streets, anyway.

I also fircely agree about suicide. It makes me sick to think people would force someone in pain to live day after day in hurt, which is something that turned me off Christianity in the first place. Suicide is not selfish. It is selfish to keep a suicidal person from doing it.

Is there a word for the opposite of the Sim effect?

Marijuana could probably be heavily taxed and still be cheaper, given all the money the drug lords (and drug dealers) make.

*grin* You mean, when you don't really care for the art, but you like the opinions? Heck if I know...

Wow. Have you considered running for office? You've got MY vote!

I agree with absolutely every one of your statements... almost completely in most cases.

Nah, I have all these skeletons in the closet, and some of 'em still have joints clamped between their teeth...

I agree with everything you said, except I'd make all drugs legal. The amount of resources we waste on keeping them out of this country or off the streets are phenomenal.

Plus side: We could watch the crime rate plummet and the jails less crowded.

Minus side: An increase in medical costs and health insurance that's sure to follow from the small insurgence of "never done it, but now that it's legal, I'll try a little" in the beginning. We'd just have to tax the bejeesus out of them to offset this, like cigarettes.

They would need heavy government regulations, like alcohol.

And for the record, I've never done any drugs that weren't prescribed, except alcohol and cough syrup. : )

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I agree with Ursula on all counts..with only minor changes to a few things. Thank you for helping me clarify some of my own views.

~edges carefully away from the abortion commentary~

i had a long comment on it, but figured it's safer to avoid, as nothing i say will change anyone's opinions, and only make a target out of me.

Hey, half the point of arguing these things is to clarify and hone one's own views. Glad to help!

...the other half, of course, is to impress other like-minded individuals with our debate fu!

I find it curious that when the debate of abortion comes up, people say "let them be adopted."

As if...Adoption is somehow some easy procedure. Go into a Childern's ward, select a child, sign some papers and you have a kid!

Unfortunately, it is harder to adopt a child than to have one. Why do you think so many people try fertilization clinics before they adopt?

There's the "someone else's genes" thing.

And if everyone put babies up for adoption instead of having abortions, there would be way too many babies up for adoption.

I go into Screaming Batshit Mode and have to be removed from the ceiling with a stick.

That made me laugh out loud. :)

Seebling!!! Where have you been all my life? You are the only other person that I have ever met/seen/heard who has my exact same stance on the death penalty. Hell, you're the only one so far who has even come close!

Can I marry you now, please? :)

Sorry, somebody got to me already. *grin*

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*grin* It commandeered me first. Seriously, once it's evicted, I wholly agree that I don't have the right to commandeer its body, but I DO have the right to maintain the sanctity of my own. Or, to put it another way--their rights, indeed, only extend until they trample the rights of someone else. By occupying my anatomy, they've trampled my right to maintain my uterus as a no-grow zone, and I get to kick the little bugger out as I see fit.

If they survive the experience, once they're in open airspace, I don't have the rights to violate that, mind you, but generally the issue's a moot point.

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Death Penalty?: Errr...well, yes and no.

Yup. "The Death penalty is perfectly fine, as long as you can trust the legal system implicitly. And only an idiot would trust the legal system implicitly."

Maybe one day we can do something about that second part. Until then...

You're my hero, Ursula...Urrgh. Ignore that. Trite. But I think you present your points well, and I agree with you completely onmost accounts, but I get so wroth as to have a complete inability to pull it off. Kudos.

You really should move to MS. Our state just outlawed selling sex toys, including those private passion parties. They said they were trying to protect the mental and physical health of the public and something about... morals. :\ I'd love to hear your rant on this!

While I feel for ya, I'm not moving across the country again for AT LEAST three years. Two 2000 mile moves in eight months nearly killed me. Unless they're burning endangered species using copies of the Origin of Species on the lawn of a courthouse that has just repealed women's sufferage while raping underage goats in the firelight, I can't force myself to pack another U-haul.

The sex toy thing is absurd, though. Ban cucumbers, while you're at it! Those things are all pervy-shaped!

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My 2 cents on the "She should have used the pill in the first place" issue. It ain't always that simple. I know a girl who got pregnant at nineteen and my first thought was "Oh my god, how irresponsible" but looking deeper, she was in a committed relationship, using the pill, and her DOCTOR didn't feel the need to tell her that the antibiotic he prescribed would negate the effects of the pill.