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I'm not holding my breath for my new hybrid Sewage car, but this still struck me as really neat.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0701_040702_pigoil.html


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But once you get your new hybrid Sewage car, well, then surely you'll be holding your breath.

*drumfill*

Sometime last summer or fall I read an article in one science magazine or another about a process that's been developed that can generate oil not only from manure of various types, but from virtually anything that's got carbon chains, including everything from plastics to chicken guts, in a process that has a positive energy yield.

In fact, suddenly remembering the title of the article, I find it was in Discover magazine. Unfortunately, you can no longer read the article online without being a registered subscriber. Still, here's the link: Anything Into Oil, Technological savvy could turn 600 million tons of turkey guts and other waste into 4 billion barrels of light Texas crude each year

From what I recall of the article, they've already got a pilot test plant built either somewhere in Pennsylvania or maybe Texas (one or the other already had a plant built, and a second one was under construction in the other).

They actually just did a followup to that. The Philly plant was a test site--they were trying to get a much larger one going in Carthage, MO...

Ah, Discover's got the full text up here.

Cool. Didn't know there'd been a follow-up article. Kind of too bad they've been delayed, but it sounds like it wasn't anything too aweful, and they should be up and running pretty soon. I'm very excited to see this take off.

I have been following this company's doings for well over a year, and I believe that it is a scam.

The offal supposedly going into the process is actually winding up in dumpsters behind the plant. And the traffic in and out is 5% of what they are claiming.

It would be nice if true, but you will note that even Discover has said "We don't know, so we asked the person who wrote the old one to give us some filler material to keep you entertained while they tap dance."

There has been absolutely no success in verifying ANY claim by ChangingWorldTechnologies. Red flags are all over this.

===|==============/ Level Head

I suppose its possible that its a scam, but if it were, I am inclined to doubt it'd be published in as prestigious a magazine as Discover, not once, but twice. I also sort of doubt that if it were a scam that they'd be going to the trouble and bother of actually building anything. Easier and more profitable to grab the investment money and run, I should think, and not bother to build first a test plant in Pennsylvania and then a production plant in Missouri. The production plant wouldn't be getting built if there wasn't something real happening. If you could back up your position with verifiable data, I might be more inclined to think you were on to something, but I'm more inclined to believe the magazine barring that. You say that some of the waste they're supposedly processing is winding up in dumpsters out back. From what I've read, they'd have to be pretty frigging huge dumpsters to haul all of it away. More likely is that, as the follow-up article says, they've had some problems with building the new plant, and weren't able to process everything they were given before the place is operational. And is the traffic in and out 5% of what they are claiming is happening now, or 5% of what it is projected to be when its all finished? The second article mentions how they had to reweld a whole bunch of connections because of their being installed wrong the first time, hence the delays and lack of full operation. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Barring additional evidence, I don't see why this should be disbelieved.

Ooh, crude oil from pig waste! How would OPEC react to that??

They'd probably call it a crappy idea.

::ducks::

How very Thunderdome ;)

at this point, alternative sources of energy totally exist and more similar discoveries and developments are sure to come.

it's now a matter of prying off the current internal combustion/dead dinosaur crude oil conglomerates that have a serious vested intrest in self-purpetuation until the absolute very last drop of oil has been pumped from the ground, above all other consideration.

:^P

Well, I should think that in this case, when its viable, and in the case of the link I posted above, it shouldn't be too terribly difficult. The initial output in both cases is comparable to diesel without further refining, so they can get their foot in the door by selling to trucking companies or even gas stations. Since they aren't dependent on the supply chains involved in the current system, it shouldn't be terribly difficult to offer their product at well below current market value for their competition, and still make enough profit to re-invest in refineries to generate stuff like we put in our cars, which they can then start selling to gas stations, particularly those that aren't also owned by the oil conglomerates.

Add to that the fact that, if they're smart, at least one of the existing oil companies should heavily invest in something of this type. Having a business model based solely around a finite resource that is being rapidly consumed into oblivion is not a good long-term business strategy.

Of course, this is much the same short-sighted stupidity as is being displayed by the cigarette companies. RAther than spending billions defending against perfeclty justified lawsuits, and millions more in morally reprehensible advertisements where they are still allowed to do so, they should be reinvesting their existing product into medicine. The tobacco plant is one of the most well-suited plants for grafting and genetic manipulation to produce various useful chemicals and such, from what I understand. They should be making deals with pharmaceutical companies for the use of their fields. Ah, well. The short sighted stupidity of the corporation knows no bounds.

Wow bikes, I'm sure they'll help reduce agricultural waste! These articles are just as much about doing stuff to clean up after ourselves as fueling our cars and things. Even if I, personally, walk or bus wherever I go, I realize the fact that personal cars will be here for a long time yet.

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